So, I have been debating the whole ball winder dilemna, I didn't want to spend $50.00 on a winder, and I didn't want the super cheap winder either. Lightning struck, I had an idea! http://www.joann.com/joann/ always offers 50% off coupons on thier site, so I went there and what did I see? Free shipping coupon :/ but then like magic it changed to a 50% off coupon! Yay me, ordered ball winder, $25 is better than $50! If you're interested, the coupon code is JANH850. and if you already have a ball winder they have swifts too, and if you already have a swift, well then what do you get the guy who has everything?