Help understanding a pattern

knit_knot_eat's picture

I have some questions about this pattern
http://www.creativeknittingmagazine.com/swatchthis.php?id=1

First, when it says C3L, is that really 6 stitches? So move 3 to the cable, knit the 3 on the needle and then 3 on the cable?
When it says C3L, is the L for left? So that means leaving the cable in the front right? and for C3R, I would move the cable to the back.
Also, for these C3L and C3R, are they always get knit stitches?

Finally, if you look at the picture in the link, it shows 2 braids. I think this pattern only actually does one of the braids, right?

paulhenry's picture

the normal convention is

the normal convention is that you don't count the cast on row, and that the next row is the first row, which is usually a knit row
Cable work is almost always done on the knit face , the reason being that the cables can be seen when working m and the crossings are forward of the base"cloth"

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knit_knot_eat's picture

right, I messed up. Both

right, I messed up. Both rows 1 and 5 are right side rows, so all of the cable stitches would be knit.

knit_knot_eat's picture

This still leaves 1 question

This still leaves 1 question for me.
On row 1 it just says C3L, so are those knit since I am on the right side?
But then what about row 5? Row 5 is a wrong side row, are the C3L stitches still knit or are those now purl since I am on the wrong side?

MMario's picture

Row five is a right side row

Row five is a right side row because the pattern starts on an odd number and specifies it is a right side row. so rows 1, 3, 5, 7 are right side.

rows 2, 4, 6, and 8 are your "wrong side"

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MMario's picture

What it comes down to is

What it comes down to is that there is still no universal "standard" for knitting nomenclature. What one designer or pattern calls a CL3 or C3L may not be what another one means by the same designation. So sometimes you do need to look at stitch counts or other rows to determine what is meant.

And with the internet, things get even more confused, as various groups get used to one particular nomenclature then someone joins who is used to a second......

paulhenry's picture

so much misinformation

so much misinformation abounds on the web...

but stick with QueerJoe

the C3 L or R refers to making a cable with a base of 6 stitches,,, the L would mean it bends to the LEFT.... the R mean it bends to the RIGHT
- but it really doesn't matter which way as long as you are consistent.
the best way of checking is to count the stitches in the pattern and compare that to the number in the block.
The reason for having a few purl stitches is simply to separate , and indeed,make the braids distinct, and it is of course instructions for knitting the block as the picture.
Usually images from pattern books give the knitter help ,not hindrance( but not always!)
I started knitting aran patterns aged about 12 , taught by mother and granny.
Good luck and I look forwaard to seeing the pictures when you have finished

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knit_knot_eat's picture

I'm not sure about those

I'm not sure about those stitches for the C3L and the C3R. If you count the stitches for the row, it adds up to 24 not 30. So to get the 30, I need 6 more stitches, so I think each C3L or C3R is actually 6 stitches not 3.
Also, how can this possibly be both braids, it only does the cables on rows 1 and 5 and it looks like a lot of twists. I'm going to try it out, but it seems strange to me.

QueerJoe's picture

Hey Jeff...first of all, the

Hey Jeff...first of all, the pattern is for both braids shown in the picture. The P2 in each odd # row and the K2 in each even # row separates the two.

Other than that, you are correct. C3R uses a total of 6 sts, and you move 3 to a cable needle holding it to the back.

They call for a total of 30 sts, but I'd add 8 or 10 stitches to make the plain stockinette stitch on either side of the double braid.

Let us know how it turns out.

thairapist's picture

Hey there Good question. I

Hey there
Good question. I looked up in my book of Cables and Arans by Erika Knight (Interweave Press). C3L means Slip next stitch onto cable needle and hold at back of work, knit next 2 stitches from left hand needle and then knit stitch from cable needle.
C3R says slip next 2 sts onto cable needle and hold at back of work, knit next st from left hand needle, then knit sts from cable needle.
I can't be absolutely sure about your pattern since all patterns can be different and it is too bad your pattern doesn't explain for sure. If your pattern is making a 6 stitch cable then your original thought is right.
Ahhh I just looked at the link and my directions should be right. It is an Aran braid which is different.
Good luck

PaganCub's picture

looking at this pattern, i'd

looking at this pattern, i'd assume it was:
C3L = put next 3 sts on CN held in front, K3 from LHN, K3 from CN (left twist)
C3R = put next 3 sts on CN held in back, K3 from LHN, K3 from CN (right twist)

looks like each "cable strand" is 3 sts
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gryffin2007's picture

Looking at the pattern, it

Looking at the pattern, it does two braids:
Row 1 (RS): BRAID ONE - P2, k3, C3L, k3, BRAID TWO p2, k3, C3R, k3, p2.

And thanks for the link, I'll need to swatch that one myself!