Of charts and stuff

Donski's picture

Hi Peeps..
I am a new knitter.. check my blog :) I am in the middle of carding and spinning fibre to finish my official "first project", a ribbed scarf in Moorit, Alpaca and Angora. Meantime I ordered and received my new KP Harmony option needles and couldn't wait to try them so hunted for something easy to try. I kept coming back to MMarios Faux Spanish lace shawl, possibly one of the most knitted pieces on MWK :) It's a breeze, simple pattern you can memorise and watch tv whilst doing. (Thanks Mmarios). It just grows and grows and looks fab.. not bad for just my second piece of knitting ever :) I will take photos and add to my blog when it is finished.

Anyway I took a look at other lace type stuff and all these weirdo charts. From this site I found reference to Herbert Niebling ( Queerjoe thanks) and did some surfing on him. I downloaded a chart from a tip off on Ravelry from Doilyhead on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/doilyhead/ No idea what anything means aarrgghh !

Firstly are there any good tutorials for chart knitting on the internet ?

I also found this site with a free pattern http://www.heirloom-knitting.co.uk/offers/free_birds_eye_pattern.pdf the only thing I dont understand on this chart are the two diagonal lines in opposing directions on the same line. It simply states kint two together but should it be by different methods with regard to the direction of slant and if they are on a front or back side row? Any help appreciated.

I have learned to knit solely from www.knittinghelp.com these guys deserve a medal.. so much information, superbly presented in an easy to follow way AND it's FREE ! restores your faith in human nature.. well done guys !

scubasinger's picture

Personally, I prefer working

Personally, I prefer working from charts, I find them much clearer and concise that 'fiddly' wordy instructions. But it IS a learning process. I remember the first time I worked with charts I was constantly referring to the written instructions, comparing, etc. But slowly I started to notice I could 'see' patterns better in the charts.

But MMario is right, finding a key is key. Some charts, for example, use empty blocks to indicate a simple knit stitch. Other charts you completely ignore empty blocks...they're simply placeholders to be used later.


Donski's picture

Thanks MMarios hmm sounds

Thanks MMarios hmm sounds like pot luck as to how the chart is written. Take a look at the link :
It is not really clear (to me) if it is charted as per the right side. I may just try a few rows and see what happens :) In the meantime I better finish my first two projects I suppose. I ordered the book from heirloom knitting.. hopefully it will explain in detail.. As for the Herbert Niebling.. I think I will need more practice before I tackle that one LOL

MMario's picture

Her key does say both \ and

Her key does say both \ and / are kt20g. and yes, the chart is knitted as viewed from the sid eyou are knitting on - but it makes less difference because she specifies garter stitch, so right or wrong side doesn't really matter.
I would probably use k2tog and k2ttbl (knit to together through back loop

if your left needle is the "current" needle and the right needle the "working" needle. Use k2togthroguh the back loop (or a left leaning decrease) when the symbol slants away from the working needle. Use k2tog when the symbol slants towards the working needle.

Row 2 - which is read left to right is :
knit 1
left leaning decrease (k2tog tbl; skp or ssk are three common ones)
knit 1
right leaning decrease (almost always k2tog)
knit one.

But row THREE (read from right to left)
starts with:
knit one,
LEFT leaning decrease, [even though the symbol is exactly the same as the one below it]

MMario - ambiguity is cultivated, it doesn't happen in a vacuum!

MMario's picture

There should be a key to the

There should be a key to the chart somewhere.....though I must admit I fail to properly key charts wehn I make the,

Usually / will be k2tog and \ is either ssk or skp; this can vary from designer to designer though.

Is the chart for Frosted ferns? If so - download the written instructions and that should key the chart for you.

some people always chart as you are looking at the WORK - some chart as to how it looks on RS. So finding a key to the chart really helps!

MMario - ambiguity is cultivated, it doesn't happen in a vacuum!