People Who Hate

Collin's picture

I was sent this link today from a guy in my knitting group. It may rile you up a bit, so if you're having a bad day, wait to read it. It got me angry, and that's not an easy thing to do.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/11/men_the_new_wom_1.html

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ManMadeKnits's picture

Well, gentlemen. This woman

Well, gentlemen. This woman is officially the first criticism I've ever heard since beginning knitting. I've had a man approach me in a Starbucks while I was knitting and ask me to teach him. He confided in me that he'd been hesitant to talk to me since I looked "pretty badass" knitting. Granted, I'm bald and can benchpress 200lbs, but that's beside the point. Everything we know about men's involvement in the art stands as testament to our continued practice of the craft.

Some of us like sports and cars and other extreme, manly hobbies, as well! I feel plenty manly and, honestly, I don't think knitting took that down a notch. On top of that, I've got the women in my knitting circle trying to hook me up with their daughters!

Gents, we are good. We are passionate. We will have great lives, great relationships, and great happiness in our lives. Rather than let this individual interrupt our pursuit of happiness, let's just redouble our chase and live to be happy--possibly happier than she can be--with our art and our lives.

Untangle your yarns and move on. She is nothing.

TomH's picture

Well said.

Well said.

kiwiknitter's picture

I second that!

I second that!

rjcb3's picture

I finally figured out what

I finally figured out what it is.

She even said that she knits, but it takes too long to make something...

I think it's a cry of want. I got angry and brought in the whole "stupid mommies" thing and the me-knitting-in-the-military angle; but after carefully analyzing it piece by piece (almost as a knitter would do with a pattern reading it stitch for stitch -- and well, we knitters would read a pattern and see the obvious outcome, but then, go back and look at it stitch for stitch, of course...)

...but read into it -- SOOOOO much further. She wants a bunch of guys to knit all of her sweaters and scarves and maybe a snood.

We ought to put together a care package for her with a card.

)O(
robert

BuduR's picture

I'd happily knit her things

I'd happily knit her things that she could use, Like maybe oven mitts so she can get back in the kitchen where she belongs. and forget the slippers! barefoot and pregnant.

Aaronknits's picture

I'd get in on that. I'd

I'd get in on that. I'd make her some pretty pink felted slippers.

teejtc's picture

Maybe with bunny ears??? (he

Maybe with bunny ears??? (he he he)

ick.

I will bet.....her desire is

I will bet.....her desire is to be "discovered" as the next Ann C. I will bet she hoping for recognition and turning it into a money making event.

kiwiknitter's picture

Well, I couldn't stop

Well, I couldn't stop laughing when I read it. I found it so stupid that I couldn't possibly take it seriously. But, then again, thankfully I'm living safely in New Zealand, far away from the American religious-right culture wars. It gives us here a perspective on how ridiculous all the religious posturing actually is. For most of us Kiwis, we can't figure out what all the fuss is over the ocean.

TheKnittingMill's picture

What year is it? When I

What year is it? When I began reading her lunacy I could feel my blood boiling, but I then realized that no intelligent, progressive, loving individual would take any stock in her ridiculous, antiquated banter. The only thing that gives me solitude is knowing she must have a pretty horrid life and deep emotional scars about something. Talking about group projects...let's knit her a big 'o scarf...or maybe a ski mask without the hole for the mouth...

YarnGuy716's picture

And the internet gives yet

And the internet gives yet another ignorant barking jackass a forum to spout their stupidity. But like the saying goes... opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and everyone thinks that everyone else's stinks.

Personally I think she is just jealous of all the men who are obviously much better knitters than her limited intelligence is capable of achieving.

eyedoc's picture

wannabe..... She just sounds

wannabe.....

She just sounds like an Ann Coulter wannabe!! She and Ann both need to take a flying leap onto my size 50 circulars!!

Shawn

All I can say is that it

All I can say is that it saddens me...and some of the responses sadden me as well.

Andy's picture

Haven't such people got

Haven't such people got anything constructive to do with their time than criticise others? Sad, really...

"Midnight shakes the memory as a madman shakes a dead geranium."

I really ought NOT to have

I really ought NOT to have read what she wrote, but I was curious. And yes, it did get my blood pressure to rise somewhat...
Knocking people like that down is so easy - but why does she really get to me and other knitters? Why should she dictate in such a self righteous way? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

rjcb3's picture

I'm just wondering where

I'm just wondering where this [ahem] "woman" gets off by insulting other peoples' mothers. I got hung up on THAT way before the whole men knitting thing.

I don't know of ANY "masculine" male that wouldn't take offense to the whole "stupid mommies" portion. Every "masculine" male that I know would strike her to the ground -- or at least get another woman to do so, woman or not if she feels so inclined to take her freedom of speech for granted. AND any "masculine" male wouldn't go as far as insulting HER mother. Chivalry might be almost dead, but, most guys I know would cringe at the thought of dishonouring anyone's mother for fear that his own would reach through the ethers just to sharply cuff him upside the head!

I knit when I was in the military during Desert Storm and most of the guys thought it was cool...just because ordinarily, you just don't see that...so, it was actually a novelty.

)O(
robert

Aaronknits's picture

Wow, what an incredibly

Wow, what an incredibly stupid woman. I was almost going to leave a comment, but really, would it have done any good? Doubtful. So I won't bother.

Crafty Andy's picture

Visit Crafty Andy's Blog If

Visit Crafty Andy's Blog If I was in the Klingon Homeworld, I'll challenge her HONOR and CHallenge her to a combat to the death, and if I won I would rip her femenine tongue off, before I kill her like the despicable good pataqh she is!

Thor's picture

Andy... what do you mean "IF

Andy... what do you mean "IF I WON"... you could mop the floors with that life form!

BuduR's picture

And people wonder why I say

And people wonder why I say that 90% of the time I'm ashamed to be a woman. I didn't search through her blogs, I don't give a damn what she has to say. I have no time for small minded ignorant people. If men had continued on wiht this line of thinking, her ignorant ass would at this moment be sitting in a kitchen cooking up her man's dinner and wondering what to wear while she does her wifely duties in bed. As far as Im concerned she needs to take her June Cleaver ass back to the kitchen and STFU.

(sorry guys, I'm not usually like this, but this sort of thing just really chaps my behind)

murfpapa's picture

It would serve her right if

It would serve her right if her son decided to be a famous designer with frosted hair and tons of designer jewelry, her daughter became a famous bronco bustin' rider who "chawed tobaccy and larned to spit", and they both attributed their amazing success to the one woman who made them who they are today, their mom. I can see it now, her running down the street, tearing her hair out by the handfuls and screaming, 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" immediately after their first interview on Oprah.

Too bad some have to worry so much about what others do in their spare time, hurting no one. She needs to get a life because the one she's got ain't working for her.

...And, she's

...And, she's frightened, has minimal to zilch for coping strategies, likely the emotional repetoire of a Barbie doll, and about as much intellect and charisma. Her opinions are hers. Others may indeed share them and find comfort. That's nice. We all need to feel secure. She is a proponent of hate and as has been noted in these other posts, she is ignorant. As I look forward to the end of the day and time to knit, I am relieved that I am who I am, and not some of the other possibilities out there!

sirknitsalot's picture

All that from a woman who

All that from a woman who speaks at NRA conventions and appears on ESPN and Fox Sports Radio. Hypocrite maybe? I'll stop knitting when she stops scratching her balls in public.

As a woman, I feel ashamed

As a woman, I feel ashamed at this bigoted rant. What would she make of me, taught to use tools by my dad? I don't feel (and my husband doesn't see me) as any less of a woman because I can do some 'man' things. This is supposed to be the 21st century.

Asplund's picture

Well put, Celowin! For a

Well put, Celowin!
For a moment I thought she might be making fun of those who are prejudiced against men who knit - it seemed so exaggerated. How narrow-minded!

Apparently, she also thinks knitting is boring. Fair enough. Personally, I think stereotypes are boring. Asplund

teejtc's picture

Wow... I don't know anything

Wow... I don't know anything about this Debbie but clearly she's ignorant.

Figures.

Grace and PEACE,
`tim

Celowin's picture

Wow. Just wow. I don't feel

Wow. Just wow.

I don't feel like registering and giving up my personal information in order to leave a comment there, but I'd really like to leave a comment along the lines of:

"Debbie, you're absolutely right. There is far too much gender blending these days. Men shouldn't knit, and women like you shouldn't write. After all, men are far better suited for intellectual tasks than women, who should stick to their traditional roles of cooking, cleaning, and raising the kids.

"Offensive, isn't it? Just like what you wrote."

MMario's picture

Aside from the fact that she

Aside from the fact that she is *wrong*; what an ignorant, prejudiced, sexist attitude!

In fact - the woman is a bigot!

that said - I do disagree with the slant taken by some recent "knitting for men" books - but to some extent that is trying to rebutt the recent (historically) trend to feminize knitting.

MMario - ambiguity is cultivated, it doesn't happen in a vacuum!